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		<title>By: serchandfind</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-589</link>
		<author>serchandfind</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hagis, you wrote: 
"...how can anyone with a heart of sght and truth say that every word in the man-written bible is all god’s utterances without error?

If you believe in God, and you believe that as such, He is all powerful and all knowing, able to create all, wouldn't he most assuredly be able to make certain that his Words for His children, and especially as instruction for, were written without error? He is God, I couldn't see His not being able, nor not making certain of, that His Words and instructions were written complete and without error. Think about that. Do you really think the God, creator of all, would be lacking in ability to do so, and would be lacking in foresight to do such? It doesn't make any sense to think that God wouldn't make sure that His Word is complete and accurate. I'm not saying this to be mean, but it doesn't even make for common sense to believe what you have said if you believe in God. I'm sure that you just haven't given it enough thought and why I wanted to point this out to you.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hagis, you wrote:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;how can anyone with a heart of sght and truth say that every word in the man-written bible is all god’s utterances without error?</p>
<p>If you believe in God, and you believe that as such, He is all powerful and all knowing, able to create all, wouldn&#8217;t he most assuredly be able to make certain that his Words for His children, and especially as instruction for, were written without error? He is God, I couldn&#8217;t see His not being able, nor not making certain of, that His Words and instructions were written complete and without error. Think about that. Do you really think the God, creator of all, would be lacking in ability to do so, and would be lacking in foresight to do such? It doesn&#8217;t make any sense to think that God wouldn&#8217;t make sure that His Word is complete and accurate. I&#8217;m not saying this to be mean, but it doesn&#8217;t even make for common sense to believe what you have said if you believe in God. I&#8217;m sure that you just haven&#8217;t given it enough thought and why I wanted to point this out to you.
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		<title>By: adonnis says,</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-524</link>
		<author>adonnis says,</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you bill, I also love the way estherson laid it out.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you bill, I also love the way estherson laid it out.
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-520</link>
		<author>bill</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love the way you laid that out esthersen&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love the way you laid that out esthersen
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		<title>By: esthersan</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-518</link>
		<author>esthersan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth saw her mother-in-law, broken, distraught, and bitter. Though she had also just lost her husband instead of allowing the loss to consume her, she remained loyal to the promise and LOVE she felt for her husband by caring for Naomi. 

Ruth loved Naomi as a gracious daughter to a mother. Their bond was strong as they both experienced loss together, traveled together and faced an unknown hard future. Ruth's love for Naomi was one of great devotion, courage, obedience and faith. 

They were not passionately in love as one would see as Lesbian. They were not physically attracted or involved with on another.

Naomi's biggest fear for Ruth was that she would not have a husband to marry. 

"But Naomi said, "Return home, my daughters. Why would you come with me? Am I going to have any more sons, who could become your husbands? Return home, my daughters; I am too old to have another husband. Even if I thought there was still hope for me—even if I had a husband tonight and then gave birth to sons would you wait until they grew up? Would you remain unmarried for them? No, my daughters. It is more bitter for me than for you, because the LORD's hand has gone out against me!" (Ruth 1:11-13)

Once Ruth told Naomi she would not leave, "Naomi realized that Ruth was determined to go with her, she stopped urging her." (Ruth 1:18)
Note the stopped urging. Naomi still did not wish for Ruth to come for she knew the hard ship Ruth would face in Israel.---

Ruth was a Moabitess. From a cursed race, that was enemies with Israel. And once more a widow, who often were received with suspicion for possible involvement with the death of husband. Naomi knew going to Bethlehem would be a nightmare for Ruth and Orpah. That is why she begged for them to leave. ---

However, she knew she would not be able to persuade Ruth so she did not argue. And all the while in Bethlehem Naomi looked for an opportunity to find Ruth a husband. 

It is clear in the bible that homosexuality is not accepted by God. And it is clear in he story of Ruth her love for Naomi was simply one of deep care. I am sure that if you had just lost every family member you had except one... you would be willing to do anything to stay connected with them, ease their bitterness, and care for them. At least this is what God gives as a holy purified example of how to remain loyal.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth saw her mother-in-law, broken, distraught, and bitter. Though she had also just lost her husband instead of allowing the loss to consume her, she remained loyal to the promise and LOVE she felt for her husband by caring for Naomi. </p>
<p>Ruth loved Naomi as a gracious daughter to a mother. Their bond was strong as they both experienced loss together, traveled together and faced an unknown hard future. Ruth&#8217;s love for Naomi was one of great devotion, courage, obedience and faith. </p>
<p>They were not passionately in love as one would see as Lesbian. They were not physically attracted or involved with on another.</p>
<p>Naomi&#8217;s biggest fear for Ruth was that she would not have a husband to marry. </p>
<p>&#8220;But Naomi said, &#8220;Return home, my daughters. Why would you come with me? Am I going to have any more sons, who could become your husbands? Return home, my daughters; I am too old to have another husband. Even if I thought there was still hope for me—even if I had a husband tonight and then gave birth to sons would you wait until they grew up? Would you remain unmarried for them? No, my daughters. It is more bitter for me than for you, because the LORD&#8217;s hand has gone out against me!&#8221; (Ruth 1:11-13)</p>
<p>Once Ruth told Naomi she would not leave, &#8220;Naomi realized that Ruth was determined to go with her, she stopped urging her.&#8221; (Ruth 1:18)<br />
Note the stopped urging. Naomi still did not wish for Ruth to come for she knew the hard ship Ruth would face in Israel.&#8212;</p>
<p>Ruth was a Moabitess. From a cursed race, that was enemies with Israel. And once more a widow, who often were received with suspicion for possible involvement with the death of husband. Naomi knew going to Bethlehem would be a nightmare for Ruth and Orpah. That is why she begged for them to leave. &#8212;</p>
<p>However, she knew she would not be able to persuade Ruth so she did not argue. And all the while in Bethlehem Naomi looked for an opportunity to find Ruth a husband. </p>
<p>It is clear in the bible that homosexuality is not accepted by God. And it is clear in he story of Ruth her love for Naomi was simply one of deep care. I am sure that if you had just lost every family member you had except one&#8230; you would be willing to do anything to stay connected with them, ease their bitterness, and care for them. At least this is what God gives as a holy purified example of how to remain loyal.
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-510</link>
		<author>Ron</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I failed to address the reference to the Hebrew word dabaq.  Yes, it is used in Genesis 2:24 and Ruth 1:14. However, it does not refer to a sexual union. 

Dabaq is used three other times in Ruth. Two times are when Boaz tells Ruth to "stay close" to the maidens one night and "stay close" to the field hands during the day while they are harvesting.  The third tells that Ruth "stayed close" to the maidens that night.

Dabaq means to cling to, stay close to, keep close, pursue, and overtake.  The link above is to a Hebrew Lexicon that gives the various meanings of dabaq and all 53 occurrences of it found in the Old Testament.  In one reference, it says that King David "clave to his sword". I certainly hope that was not a sexual encounter!

In Ruth 1:14, it simply means that Ruth held on to Naomi to stay close to her. It does not indicate a lesbian relationship.  Beside, they would have been guilty of incest if that was the case.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I failed to address the reference to the Hebrew word dabaq.  Yes, it is used in Genesis 2:24 and Ruth 1:14. However, it does not refer to a sexual union. </p>
<p>Dabaq is used three other times in Ruth. Two times are when Boaz tells Ruth to &#8220;stay close&#8221; to the maidens one night and &#8220;stay close&#8221; to the field hands during the day while they are harvesting.  The third tells that Ruth &#8220;stayed close&#8221; to the maidens that night.</p>
<p>Dabaq means to cling to, stay close to, keep close, pursue, and overtake.  The link above is to a Hebrew Lexicon that gives the various meanings of dabaq and all 53 occurrences of it found in the Old Testament.  In one reference, it says that King David &#8220;clave to his sword&#8221;. I certainly hope that was not a sexual encounter!</p>
<p>In Ruth 1:14, it simply means that Ruth held on to Naomi to stay close to her. It does not indicate a lesbian relationship.  Beside, they would have been guilty of incest if that was the case.
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-509</link>
		<author>Ron</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relationship between Naomi and Ruth was nothing more than the close, personal bond of agape love between a mother and her daughter-in-law. 

When Ruth's husband died, Naomi told her she wished she had another son, or that she could give birth to a son, for Ruth to marry but she did not and she was too old and widowed to have any more children.  

When Naomi tried to send Ruth and Orpah back to their families, Ruth stayed with her and followed Naomi back to her homeland. There, Naomi encouraged and supported Ruth's marriage to Boaz. 

There is no evidence and no reason to think that Naomi and Ruth had any type of sexual union; they were simply bound by respect and devotion to each other just like a mother and daughter.

Yes, the Bible is all about love and relationships more than it is about rules and regulations.  But it is also about obedience to God and to His plan. His plan for sexual unions is clearly stated as being reserved for a man and woman. We do not have the authority to change that.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relationship between Naomi and Ruth was nothing more than the close, personal bond of agape love between a mother and her daughter-in-law. </p>
<p>When Ruth&#8217;s husband died, Naomi told her she wished she had another son, or that she could give birth to a son, for Ruth to marry but she did not and she was too old and widowed to have any more children.  </p>
<p>When Naomi tried to send Ruth and Orpah back to their families, Ruth stayed with her and followed Naomi back to her homeland. There, Naomi encouraged and supported Ruth&#8217;s marriage to Boaz. </p>
<p>There is no evidence and no reason to think that Naomi and Ruth had any type of sexual union; they were simply bound by respect and devotion to each other just like a mother and daughter.</p>
<p>Yes, the Bible is all about love and relationships more than it is about rules and regulations.  But it is also about obedience to God and to His plan. His plan for sexual unions is clearly stated as being reserved for a man and woman. We do not have the authority to change that.
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		<title>By: Sixty per cent back gay marriage: survey - Page 30 - Christian Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-502</link>
		<author>Sixty per cent back gay marriage: survey - Page 30 - Christian Forums</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] holding this position many times.   Ruth and Naomi as lovers is standard fare in GLBT theology:  Ruth and Naomi: The Bible on Lesbians &#124; Asian Lesbians Blog - About Womyn    Good Hope MCC - Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Genesis 2:24, Ruth 1:14)  The same Hebrew [...]&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] holding this position many times.   Ruth and Naomi as lovers is standard fare in GLBT theology:  Ruth and Naomi: The Bible on Lesbians | Asian Lesbians Blog - About Womyn    Good Hope MCC - Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Genesis 2:24, Ruth 1:14)  The same Hebrew [&#8230;]
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		<title>By: haygis</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-492</link>
		<author>haygis</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it wouldnt be the first time two married "straight" women fell in love. isnt the bible all about love? love is a many splendoured thing after all and whil eman does not understand the love of two women for each other, god does. maybe the truth is this: god created all love and all love is sacred. man created ways to try and control love and spirituality. since when has man ever been without flaw or error? that being said, how can anyone with a heart of sght and truth say that every word in the man-written bible is all god's utterances without error?&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it wouldnt be the first time two married &#8220;straight&#8221; women fell in love. isnt the bible all about love? love is a many splendoured thing after all and whil eman does not understand the love of two women for each other, god does. maybe the truth is this: god created all love and all love is sacred. man created ways to try and control love and spirituality. since when has man ever been without flaw or error? that being said, how can anyone with a heart of sght and truth say that every word in the man-written bible is all god&#8217;s utterances without error?
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		<title>By: ami</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-490</link>
		<author>ami</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"what it does imply more strongly is a bond of filial love as a daughter for her mother"

No a mother, a mother-in-law. For me, it's obvious they loved each other emotionally, perhaps physically as well, and that's lesbianism.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what it does imply more strongly is a bond of filial love as a daughter for her mother&#8221;</p>
<p>No a mother, a mother-in-law. For me, it&#8217;s obvious they loved each other emotionally, perhaps physically as well, and that&#8217;s lesbianism.
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		<title>By: kimba</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutwomyn.com/history/ruth-and-naomi-the-bible-on-lesbians/#comment-480</link>
		<author>kimba</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the true and deep love of a younger woman for her mother figure does not have to be sexual in nature--not even if the younger woman is, say, as old as 30 (old enough to truly know herself).  continue to read the story--ruth marries Boaz and their union eventually preserves the Messianic line.  I don't have an issue with lesbians or women who choose to express themselves sexually with other women.  But i do object to seeing every deeply committed relationship between women as inherently lesbian.  i don't think this story implies that.  what it does imply more strongly is a bond of filial love as a daughter for her mother.  read the WHOLE story.&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the true and deep love of a younger woman for her mother figure does not have to be sexual in nature&#8211;not even if the younger woman is, say, as old as 30 (old enough to truly know herself).  continue to read the story&#8211;ruth marries Boaz and their union eventually preserves the Messianic line.  I don&#8217;t have an issue with lesbians or women who choose to express themselves sexually with other women.  But i do object to seeing every deeply committed relationship between women as inherently lesbian.  i don&#8217;t think this story implies that.  what it does imply more strongly is a bond of filial love as a daughter for her mother.  read the WHOLE story.
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